when you have a rating of congress at 9% or 12% or 15%, you know guys in cody, wumg and dubuque, iowa and corning, new york, have it all figured out. you've got to cut spending. how do you do that? identify it, and that's what our commission did. we got votes from everybody, guys from all sides of the spectrum saying here is your specific cut. here's what you can do in defense. here's what you do in health care. here's what you do in social security and there it is, and they won't swallow it because they are terrified of the interest groups and the club for growth -- all of them. just eating their lunch. the vampires are out, and they don't like to have the blood sucked out of themselves or they won't come back. >> so what are the implications here, senator? you know, we keep talking about, you know, the need not to put it on seniors' backs and the fact that we need investment in this country. what are the implications to not getting a handle and not beginning to cut the 16.4 trillion in debt, realistically? >> got to go in and say they have to be specific on the spending, got to clos